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On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes 4 min after
w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network connection
appeart in the tight lower corner

What might be the reason?



Paul King
Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a DNS issue.

If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a long while
trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before loading the
desktop.

I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.

Does this happen on your other 2 machines?

Paul.


wrote in message news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes 4 min
after
> w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network connection
> appeart in the tight lower corner
>
> What might be the reason?
>
>



It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other issues on
them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying

What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay attention?
On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
automaticaly

On Advance I have

1 IP Settings
IP addresses DHCP enabled
Default gatewas - nothing

2/ DNS
Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
Register this connection address in DNS registration (have noidea what these
three do mean)

3. WINS
Enable lmhosts look up
Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP




"Paul King" wrote in message
news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a DNS issue.
>
> If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a long while
> trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before loading the
> desktop.
>
> I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
>
> Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
>
> Paul.
>
>
> wrote in message news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes 4 min
> after
> > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network connection
> > appeart in the tight lower corner
> >
> > What might be the reason?
> >
> >
>
>



Paul King
Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device issuing IP
addresses?

DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on a server -
this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines. DNS and
WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore if you don't
have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long time
searching for something that does not exist.

Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the other machines,
for example:

PC1 = 192.168.0.100
PC2= 192.168.0.101
PC3= 192.168.0.103

This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop loads will be
much faster.

Regards
Paul.

wrote in message news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other issues on
> them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
>
> What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay attention?
> On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> automaticaly
>
> On Advance I have
>
> 1 IP Settings
> IP addresses DHCP enabled
> Default gatewas - nothing
>
> 2/ DNS
> Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> Register this connection address in DNS registration (have noidea what
these
> three do mean)
>
> 3. WINS
> Enable lmhosts look up
> Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
>
>
>
>
> "Paul King" wrote in message
> news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a DNS
issue.
> >
> > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a long while
> > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before loading the
> > desktop.
> >
> > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> >
> > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> > wrote in message news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes 4 min
> > after
> > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network
connection
> > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > >
> > > What might be the reason?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Thanks, Paul.

I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still works.
One thing concerns me:
If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the network, then
the system should not work at all whereas it is working, althought slow and
unreliably.
If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses? Ping works
fine on all the machines.

What is BOOTP device ?
I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via Vigor2600x
ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet

Does this chane your opinion?



"Paul King" wrote in message
news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device issuing IP
> addresses?
>
> DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on a
server -
> this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines. DNS and
> WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore if you
don't
> have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long time
> searching for something that does not exist.
>
> Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the other
machines,
> for example:
>
> PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> PC2= 192.168.0.101
> PC3= 192.168.0.103
>
> This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop loads will be
> much faster.
>
> Regards
> Paul.
>
> wrote in message news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other issues on
> > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> >
> > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay attention?
> > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> > automaticaly
> >
> > On Advance I have
> >
> > 1 IP Settings
> > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > Default gatewas - nothing
> >
> > 2/ DNS
> > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have noidea what
> these
> > three do mean)
> >
> > 3. WINS
> > Enable lmhosts look up
> > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a DNS
> issue.
> > >
> > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a long
while
> > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before loading
the
> > > desktop.
> > >
> > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > >
> > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > >
> > > wrote in message news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes 4
min
> > > after
> > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network
> connection
> > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > >
> > > > What might be the reason?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Paul King
I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!

The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan properties of
your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is ticked. If this is
the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three machines -
for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use

Start:192.168.0.100
End: 192.168.0.110

Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If you have
another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer Server) or
somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.

If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may want to do an
"ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new address from the
Vigor.

Let me know how it goes.

Cheers
Paul

wrote in message news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Thanks, Paul.
>
> I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still works.
> One thing concerns me:
> If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the network, then
> the system should not work at all whereas it is working, althought slow
and
> unreliably.
> If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses? Ping
works
> fine on all the machines.
>
> What is BOOTP device ?
> I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via Vigor2600x
> ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
>
> Does this chane your opinion?
>
>
>
> "Paul King" wrote in message
> news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device issuing
IP
> > addresses?
> >
> > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on a
> server -
> > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines. DNS and
> > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore if you
> don't
> > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long time
> > searching for something that does not exist.
> >
> > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the other
> machines,
> > for example:
> >
> > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> >
> > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop loads will
be
> > much faster.
> >
> > Regards
> > Paul.
> >
> > wrote in message news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other issues
on
> > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > >
> > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay attention?
> > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> > > automaticaly
> > >
> > > On Advance I have
> > >
> > > 1 IP Settings
> > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > >
> > > 2/ DNS
> > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have noidea what
> > these
> > > three do mean)
> > >
> > > 3. WINS
> > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a DNS
> > issue.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a long
> while
> > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before loading
> the
> > > > desktop.
> > > >
> > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > >
> > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > wrote in message
news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes 4
> min
> > > > after
> > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network
> > connection
> > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > >
> > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Paul,
1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my admin page",
but
On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
automaticaly
On Advance - IP Settings I have
IP addresses
DHCP enabled

Is that what you mean?

2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> Start:192.168.0.100
> End: 192.168.0.110

I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction and connected
it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because ipcofig on
each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
192.168.1.10
192.168.1.11
192.168.1.12

Is this OK?

3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The ipcongig readings
did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal prob;lem of 4
min.








"Paul King" wrote in message
news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
>
> The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan properties
of
> your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is ticked. If this
is
> the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three machines -
> for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
>
> Start:192.168.0.100
> End: 192.168.0.110
>
> Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If you have
> another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer Server) or
> somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
>
> If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may want to do
an
> "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new address from the
> Vigor.
>
> Let me know how it goes.
>
> Cheers
> Paul
>
> wrote in message news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks, Paul.
> >
> > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still works.
> > One thing concerns me:
> > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the network,
then
> > the system should not work at all whereas it is working, althought slow
> and
> > unreliably.
> > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses? Ping
> works
> > fine on all the machines.
> >
> > What is BOOTP device ?
> > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via Vigor2600x
> > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> >
> > Does this chane your opinion?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device issuing
> IP
> > > addresses?
> > >
> > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on a
> > server -
> > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines. DNS
and
> > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore if you
> > don't
> > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long time
> > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > >
> > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the other
> > machines,
> > > for example:
> > >
> > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > >
> > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop loads
will
> be
> > > much faster.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > wrote in message news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other
issues
> on
> > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > >
> > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay attention?
> > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> > > > automaticaly
> > > >
> > > > On Advance I have
> > > >
> > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > >
> > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have noidea
what
> > > these
> > > > three do mean)
> > > >
> > > > 3. WINS
> > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a DNS
> > > issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a long
> > while
> > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before
loading
> > the
> > > > > desktop.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote in message
> news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it takes
4
> > min
> > > > > after
> > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network
> > > connection
> > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Paul King
Thats good then.

Ok, to recap your machines are set to
192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
This is a good configuration by the way....

But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while to start
up.

Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software / mapped drives)
to the others?

Cheers
PK

wrote in message news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Paul,
> 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my admin page",
> but
> On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> automaticaly
> On Advance - IP Settings I have
> IP addresses
> DHCP enabled
>
> Is that what you mean?
>
> 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > Start:192.168.0.100
> > End: 192.168.0.110
>
> I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction and
connected
> it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because ipcofig on
> each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> 192.168.1.10
> 192.168.1.11
> 192.168.1.12
>
> Is this OK?
>
> 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The ipcongig
readings
> did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal prob;lem of
4
> min.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Paul King" wrote in message
> news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> >
> > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan
properties
> of
> > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is ticked. If
this
> is
> > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three
machines -
> > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> >
> > Start:192.168.0.100
> > End: 192.168.0.110
> >
> > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If you have
> > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer Server)
or
> > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> >
> > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may want to
do
> an
> > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new address from
the
> > Vigor.
> >
> > Let me know how it goes.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Paul
> >
> > wrote in message news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Thanks, Paul.
> > >
> > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still works.
> > > One thing concerns me:
> > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the network,
> then
> > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working, althought
slow
> > and
> > > unreliably.
> > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses? Ping
> > works
> > > fine on all the machines.
> > >
> > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via Vigor2600x
> > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > >
> > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device
issuing
> > IP
> > > > addresses?
> > > >
> > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on a
> > > server -
> > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines. DNS
> and
> > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore if
you
> > > don't
> > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long time
> > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > >
> > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the other
> > > machines,
> > > > for example:
> > > >
> > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > >
> > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop loads
> will
> > be
> > > > much faster.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > > wrote in message
news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other
> issues
> > on
> > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > > >
> > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay attention?
> > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses
obtain
> > > > > automaticaly
> > > > >
> > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have noidea
> what
> > > > these
> > > > > three do mean)
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a
DNS
> > > > issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a
long
> > > while
> > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before
> loading
> > > the
> > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote in message
> > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it
takes
> 4
> > > min
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a network
> > > > connection
> > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



aa
It is different.
That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set to work with
the office local network.
It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec PCAnywhere,
Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were set up by
our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked reliably even when
the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started working from home
and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.

That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did all the IP
setting as discribed above.
I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP addreses and
names of the two other PCs.
I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do not know
what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
Is this relevant?

Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are the same
network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could this interfere
with network connection?




"Paul King" wrote in message
news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Thats good then.
>
> Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> This is a good configuration by the way....
>
> But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while to start
> up.
>
> Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software / mapped
drives)
> to the others?
>
> Cheers
> PK
>
> wrote in message news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Paul,
> > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my admin
page",
> > but
> > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> > automaticaly
> > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > IP addresses
> > DHCP enabled
> >
> > Is that what you mean?
> >
> > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > End: 192.168.0.110
> >
> > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction and
> connected
> > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because ipcofig on
> > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > 192.168.1.10
> > 192.168.1.11
> > 192.168.1.12
> >
> > Is this OK?
> >
> > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The ipcongig
> readings
> > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal prob;lem
of
> 4
> > min.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> > >
> > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan
> properties
> > of
> > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is ticked. If
> this
> > is
> > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three
> machines -
> > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > >
> > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > >
> > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If you
have
> > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer
Server)
> or
> > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > >
> > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may want to
> do
> > an
> > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new address from
> the
> > > Vigor.
> > >
> > > Let me know how it goes.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > wrote in message news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > >
> > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still works.
> > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the network,
> > then
> > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working, althought
> slow
> > > and
> > > > unreliably.
> > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses?
Ping
> > > works
> > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > >
> > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via
Vigor2600x
> > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > >
> > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device
> issuing
> > > IP
> > > > > addresses?
> > > > >
> > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on a
> > > > server -
> > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines.
DNS
> > and
> > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore if
> you
> > > > don't
> > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long
time
> > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the other
> > > > machines,
> > > > > for example:
> > > > >
> > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > >
> > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop loads
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > much faster.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Paul.
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote in message
> news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other
> > issues
> > > on
> > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay
attention?
> > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses
> obtain
> > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have
noidea
> > what
> > > > > these
> > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be a
> DNS
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a
> long
> > > > while
> > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before
> > loading
> > > > the
> > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it
> takes
> > 4
> > > > min
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a
network
> > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Paul King
Nope the Vigor is not relevant in the LMHOSTS or HOSTS file.

As long as your machines has 192.168.1.1 in the default gateway then you
should be ok.

I guess there is no chance of re-imaging the machine again into the Base OS?

Paul.

"aa" wrote in message
news:eOAoG0k6DHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> It is different.
> That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set to work
with
> the office local network.
> It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec PCAnywhere,
> Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were set up by
> our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked reliably even
when
> the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started working from
home
> and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.
>
> That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did all the IP
> setting as discribed above.
> I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP addreses and
> names of the two other PCs.
> I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do not know
> what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
> Is this relevant?
>
> Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are the same
> network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could this
interfere
> with network connection?
>
>
>
>
> "Paul King" wrote in message
> news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Thats good then.
> >
> > Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> > 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> > This is a good configuration by the way....
> >
> > But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while to
start
> > up.
> >
> > Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software / mapped
> drives)
> > to the others?
> >
> > Cheers
> > PK
> >
> > wrote in message news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Paul,
> > > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my admin
> page",
> > > but
> > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> > > automaticaly
> > > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > > IP addresses
> > > DHCP enabled
> > >
> > > Is that what you mean?
> > >
> > > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > >
> > > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction and
> > connected
> > > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because ipcofig
on
> > > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > > 192.168.1.10
> > > 192.168.1.11
> > > 192.168.1.12
> > >
> > > Is this OK?
> > >
> > > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The ipcongig
> > readings
> > > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal
prob;lem
> of
> > 4
> > > min.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> > > >
> > > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan
> > properties
> > > of
> > > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is ticked. If
> > this
> > > is
> > > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three
> > machines -
> > > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > >
> > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > >
> > > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If you
> have
> > > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer
> Server)
> > or
> > > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > > >
> > > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may want
to
> > do
> > > an
> > > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new address
from
> > the
> > > > Vigor.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > wrote in message news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still
works.
> > > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the
network,
> > > then
> > > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working, althought
> > slow
> > > > and
> > > > > unreliably.
> > > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses?
> Ping
> > > > works
> > > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via
> Vigor2600x
> > > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device
> > issuing
> > > > IP
> > > > > > addresses?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded on
a
> > > > > server -
> > > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local machines.
> DNS
> > > and
> > > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore
if
> > you
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long
> time
> > > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the
other
> > > > > machines,
> > > > > > for example:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop
loads
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > much faster.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote in message
> > news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have other
> > > issues
> > > > on
> > > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay
> attention?
> > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses
> > obtain
> > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have
> noidea
> > > what
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could be
a
> > DNS
> > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take a
> > long
> > > > > while
> > > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN before
> > > loading
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network it
> > takes
> > > 4
> > > > > min
> > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a
> network
> > > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



re-imaging the machine again into the Base OS?

I do not understand "re-imaging" and "Base OS" - what are these?

Also I have three other problems on two other machines, which might be
relevant to the one being discussed:

1. The list of computers in Windows Explorer appears quickly. Then It takes
about two minutes to open a drive on another machine. Once a drive lists its
folders, they are opened relatiovely quickly. Why opening a drive takes
time?

2. In two out of three attempts to copy a file over network I have
"Unexpected network Error". The file gets copied, the same size, but would
not opened, i.e. might get corrupted.

3. When trying to view printer properties over network using
Start-Settings-Printers-Properties, I am getting "Printer properties cannot
be displayed.Operation could not be completed". Obviously the computer does
see that printer over network as the printer status shows "opening" inless I
turn on the other PC to which that printer is connected. The the satus
becomes "Ready". The printer would not print unless I re-intall it on both
computers. This has to be repeated everytime I turn the computers on. One
thin might be relevant - the computer which refuses to use this printer
without reinstalling is on Domain.


"Paul King" wrote in message
news:ubKxbDl6DHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Nope the Vigor is not relevant in the LMHOSTS or HOSTS file.
>
> As long as your machines has 192.168.1.1 in the default gateway then you
> should be ok.
>
> I guess there is no chance of re-imaging the machine again into the Base
OS?
>
> Paul.
>
> "aa" wrote in message
> news:eOAoG0k6DHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > It is different.
> > That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set to work
> with
> > the office local network.
> > It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec
PCAnywhere,
> > Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were set up
by
> > our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked reliably even
> when
> > the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started working from
> home
> > and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.
> >
> > That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did all the IP
> > setting as discribed above.
> > I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP addreses and
> > names of the two other PCs.
> > I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do not
know
> > what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
> > Is this relevant?
> >
> > Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are the same
> > network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could this
> interfere
> > with network connection?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Thats good then.
> > >
> > > Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> > > 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> > > This is a good configuration by the way....
> > >
> > > But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while to
> start
> > > up.
> > >
> > > Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software / mapped
> > drives)
> > > to the others?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > PK
> > >
> > > wrote in message news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > Paul,
> > > > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my admin
> > page",
> > > > but
> > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses obtain
> > > > automaticaly
> > > > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > > > IP addresses
> > > > DHCP enabled
> > > >
> > > > Is that what you mean?
> > > >
> > > > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > >
> > > > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction and
> > > connected
> > > > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because
ipcofig
> on
> > > > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > > > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > > > 192.168.1.10
> > > > 192.168.1.11
> > > > 192.168.1.12
> > > >
> > > > Is this OK?
> > > >
> > > > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The ipcongig
> > > readings
> > > > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal
> prob;lem
> > of
> > > 4
> > > > min.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> > > > >
> > > > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan
> > > properties
> > > > of
> > > > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is ticked.
If
> > > this
> > > > is
> > > > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three
> > > machines -
> > > > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > >
> > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > >
> > > > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If
you
> > have
> > > > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer
> > Server)
> > > or
> > > > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may
want
> to
> > > do
> > > > an
> > > > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new address
> from
> > > the
> > > > > Vigor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote in message
news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still
> works.
> > > > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the
> network,
> > > > then
> > > > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working,
althought
> > > slow
> > > > > and
> > > > > > unreliably.
> > > > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP addresses?
> > Ping
> > > > > works
> > > > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via
> > Vigor2600x
> > > > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP device
> > > issuing
> > > > > IP
> > > > > > > addresses?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally loaded
on
> a
> > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local
machines.
> > DNS
> > > > and
> > > > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server. Therefore
> if
> > > you
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really long
> > time
> > > > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the
> other
> > > > > > machines,
> > > > > > > for example:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop
> loads
> > > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > much faster.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have
other
> > > > issues
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay
> > attention?
> > > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server
addresses
> > > obtain
> > > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have
> > noidea
> > > > what
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it could
be
> a
> > > DNS
> > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can take
a
> > > long
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN
before
> > > > loading
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network
it
> > > takes
> > > > 4
> > > > > > min
> > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a
> > network
> > > > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Paul King
This might all be related to one file LMHOSTS.

If you have been updating the HOSTS file then don't.

In your windows directory under system32/drivers/ect you may find an lmhosts
and/or lmhosts.sam file(s)

If you only have lmhosts.sam - copy this file and rename this to lmhosts

If you have lmhosts open this up in notepad and enter the following
information

#LMHOSTS Machine File
192.168.1.10 [name of pc1]*
192.168.1.11 [name of pc2]
192.168.1.12 [name of pc3]

*ie. 192.168.1.10 PC1

Ensure that this file is on all three machines and reboot them.

Let me know how you get on

Paul.

wrote in message news:OnEBpyl6DHA.2952@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> re-imaging the machine again into the Base OS?
>
> I do not understand "re-imaging" and "Base OS" - what are these?
>
> Also I have three other problems on two other machines, which might be
> relevant to the one being discussed:
>
> 1. The list of computers in Windows Explorer appears quickly. Then It[/color]
takes[color=blue]
> about two minutes to open a drive on another machine. Once a drive lists[/color]
its[color=blue]
> folders, they are opened relatiovely quickly. Why opening a drive takes
> time?
>
> 2. In two out of three attempts to copy a file over network I have
> "Unexpected network Error". The file gets copied, the same size, but would
> not opened, i.e. might get corrupted.
>
> 3. When trying to view printer properties over network using
> Start-Settings-Printers-Properties, I am getting "Printer properties[/color]
cannot[color=blue]
> be displayed.Operation could not be completed". Obviously the computer[/color]
does[color=blue]
> see that printer over network as the printer status shows "opening" inless[/color]
I[color=blue]
> turn on the other PC to which that printer is connected. The the satus
> becomes "Ready". The printer would not print unless I re-intall it on both
> computers. This has to be repeated everytime I turn the computers on. One
> thin might be relevant - the computer which refuses to use this printer
> without reinstalling is on Domain.
>
>
> "Paul King" wrote in message
> news:ubKxbDl6DHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Nope the Vigor is not relevant in the LMHOSTS or HOSTS file.
> >
> > As long as your machines has 192.168.1.1 in the default gateway then you
> > should be ok.
> >
> > I guess there is no chance of re-imaging the machine again into the Base[/color]
> OS?[color=green]
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > "aa" wrote in message
> > news:eOAoG0k6DHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > It is different.
> > > That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set to work[/color]
> > with[color=darkred]
> > > the office local network.
> > > It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec[/color][/color]
> PCAnywhere,[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were set[/color][/color][/color]
up[color=blue]
> by[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked reliably[/color][/color][/color]
even[color=blue][color=green]
> > when[color=darkred]
> > > the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started working[/color][/color][/color]
from[color=blue][color=green]
> > home[color=darkred]
> > > and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.
> > >
> > > That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did all the[/color][/color][/color]
IP[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > setting as discribed above.
> > > I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP addreses[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > names of the two other PCs.
> > > I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do not[/color][/color]
> know[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
> > > Is this relevant?
> > >
> > > Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are the same
> > > network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could this[/color]
> > interfere[color=darkred]
> > > with network connection?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Thats good then.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> > > > 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> > > > This is a good configuration by the way....
> > > >
> > > > But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while to[/color]
> > start[color=darkred]
> > > > up.
> > > >
> > > > Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software / mapped
> > > drives)
> > > > to the others?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > PK
> > > >
> > > > wrote in message news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Paul,
> > > > > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my admin
> > > page",
> > > > > but
> > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses[/color][/color][/color]
obtain[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > > > > IP addresses
> > > > > DHCP enabled
> > > > >
> > > > > Is that what you mean?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > >
> > > > > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction and
> > > > connected
> > > > > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because[/color][/color]
> ipcofig[color=green]
> > on[color=darkred]
> > > > > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > > > > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > > > > 192.168.1.10
> > > > > 192.168.1.11
> > > > > 192.168.1.12
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this OK?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The[/color][/color][/color]
ipcongig[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > readings
> > > > > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal[/color]
> > prob;lem[color=darkred]
> > > of
> > > > 4
> > > > > min.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan
> > > > properties
> > > > > of
> > > > > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is[/color][/color][/color]
ticked.[color=blue]
> If[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > this
> > > > > is
> > > > > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three
> > > > machines -
> > > > > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses. If[/color][/color]
> you[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > have
> > > > > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie Printer
> > > Server)
> > > > or
> > > > > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may[/color][/color]
> want[color=green]
> > to[color=darkred]
> > > > do
> > > > > an
> > > > > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new[/color][/color][/color]
address[color=blue][color=green]
> > from[color=darkred]
> > > > the
> > > > > > Vigor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote in message[/color][/color]
> news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which still[/color]
> > works.[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the[/color]
> > network,[color=darkred]
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working,[/color][/color]
> althought[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > slow
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > unreliably.
> > > > > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP[/color][/color][/color]
addresses?[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Ping
> > > > > > works
> > > > > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via
> > > Vigor2600x
> > > > > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP[/color][/color][/color]
device[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > issuing
> > > > > > IP
> > > > > > > > addresses?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally[/color][/color][/color]
loaded[color=blue]
> on[color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local[/color][/color]
> machines.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > DNS
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server.[/color][/color][/color]
Therefore[color=blue][color=green]
> > if[color=darkred]
> > > > you
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really[/color][/color][/color]
long[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > time
> > > > > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as the[/color]
> > other[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > machines,
> > > > > > > > for example:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your desktop[/color]
> > loads[color=darkred]
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > much faster.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have[/color][/color]
> other[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > issues
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay
> > > attention?
> > > > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server[/color][/color]
> addresses[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > obtain
> > > > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration (have
> > > noidea
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it[/color][/color][/color]
could[color=blue]
> be[color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > DNS
> > > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can[/color][/color][/color]
take[color=blue]
> a[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > long
> > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN[/color][/color]
> before[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > loading
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer network[/color][/color]
> it[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > takes
> > > > > 4
> > > > > > > min
> > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of a
> > > network
> > > > > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]



Thanks, Paul< I will do.
Meanwhile please let me know what are thre roles of the three files:
hosts
lmhosts
lmhosts.sam



"Paul King" wrote in message
news:uolxtam6DHA.2732@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> This might all be related to one file LMHOSTS.
>
> If you have been updating the HOSTS file then don't.
>
> In your windows directory under system32/drivers/ect you may find an[/color]
lmhosts[color=blue]
> and/or lmhosts.sam file(s)
>
> If you only have lmhosts.sam - copy this file and rename this to lmhosts
>
> If you have lmhosts open this up in notepad and enter the following
> information
>
> #LMHOSTS Machine File
> 192.168.1.10 [name of pc1]*
> 192.168.1.11 [name of pc2]
> 192.168.1.12 [name of pc3]
>
> *ie. 192.168.1.10 PC1
>
> Ensure that this file is on all three machines and reboot them.
>
> Let me know how you get on
>
> Paul.
>
> wrote in message news:OnEBpyl6DHA.2952@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > re-imaging the machine again into the Base OS?
> >
> > I do not understand "re-imaging" and "Base OS" - what are these?
> >
> > Also I have three other problems on two other machines, which might be
> > relevant to the one being discussed:
> >
> > 1. The list of computers in Windows Explorer appears quickly. Then It[/color]
> takes[color=green]
> > about two minutes to open a drive on another machine. Once a drive lists[/color]
> its[color=green]
> > folders, they are opened relatiovely quickly. Why opening a drive takes
> > time?
> >
> > 2. In two out of three attempts to copy a file over network I have
> > "Unexpected network Error". The file gets copied, the same size, but[/color][/color]
would[color=blue][color=green]
> > not opened, i.e. might get corrupted.
> >
> > 3. When trying to view printer properties over network using
> > Start-Settings-Printers-Properties, I am getting "Printer properties[/color]
> cannot[color=green]
> > be displayed.Operation could not be completed". Obviously the computer[/color]
> does[color=green]
> > see that printer over network as the printer status shows "opening"[/color][/color]
inless[color=blue]
> I[color=green]
> > turn on the other PC to which that printer is connected. The the satus
> > becomes "Ready". The printer would not print unless I re-intall it on[/color][/color]
both[color=blue][color=green]
> > computers. This has to be repeated everytime I turn the computers on.[/color][/color]
One[color=blue][color=green]
> > thin might be relevant - the computer which refuses to use this printer
> > without reinstalling is on Domain.
> >
> >
> > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > news:ubKxbDl6DHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Nope the Vigor is not relevant in the LMHOSTS or HOSTS file.
> > >
> > > As long as your machines has 192.168.1.1 in the default gateway then[/color][/color][/color]
you[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > should be ok.
> > >
> > > I guess there is no chance of re-imaging the machine again into the[/color][/color][/color]
Base[color=blue][color=green]
> > OS?[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > "aa" wrote in message
> > > news:eOAoG0k6DHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > It is different.
> > > > That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set to[/color][/color][/color]
work[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > with
> > > > the office local network.
> > > > It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec[/color]
> > PCAnywhere,[color=darkred]
> > > > Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were set[/color][/color]
> up[color=green]
> > by[color=darkred]
> > > > our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked reliably[/color][/color]
> even[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > when
> > > > the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started working[/color][/color]
> from[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > home
> > > > and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.
> > > >
> > > > That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did all[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue]
> IP[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > setting as discribed above.
> > > > I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP addreses[/color][/color]
> and[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > names of the two other PCs.
> > > > I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do not[/color]
> > know[color=darkred]
> > > > what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
> > > > Is this relevant?
> > > >
> > > > Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are the[/color][/color][/color]
same[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could this
> > > interfere
> > > > with network connection?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Thats good then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> > > > > 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> > > > > This is a good configuration by the way....
> > > > >
> > > > > But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while[/color][/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > start
> > > > > up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software /[/color][/color][/color]
mapped[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > drives)
> > > > > to the others?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > PK
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote in message[/color][/color][/color]
news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > Paul,
> > > > > > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my[/color][/color][/color]
admin[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > page",
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses[/color][/color]
> obtain[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > > > > > IP addresses
> > > > > > DHCP enabled
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is that what you mean?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > connected
> > > > > > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because[/color]
> > ipcofig[color=darkred]
> > > on
> > > > > > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > > > > > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > > > > > 192.168.1.10
> > > > > > 192.168.1.11
> > > > > > 192.168.1.12
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this OK?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The[/color][/color]
> ipcongig[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > readings
> > > > > > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal
> > > prob;lem
> > > > of
> > > > > 4
> > > > > > min.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP Wan
> > > > > properties
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is[/color][/color]
> ticked.[color=green]
> > If[color=darkred]
> > > > > this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all three
> > > > > machines -
> > > > > > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses.[/color][/color][/color]
If[color=blue][color=green]
> > you[color=darkred]
> > > > have
> > > > > > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie[/color][/color][/color]
Printer[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Server)
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you may[/color]
> > want[color=darkred]
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new[/color][/color]
> address[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Vigor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote in message[/color]
> > news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which[/color][/color][/color]
still[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > works.
> > > > > > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > > > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on the
> > > network,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working,[/color]
> > althought[color=darkred]
> > > > > slow
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > unreliably.
> > > > > > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP[/color][/color]
> addresses?[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Ping
> > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > > > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via
> > > > Vigor2600x
> > > > > > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP[/color][/color]
> device[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > issuing
> > > > > > > IP
> > > > > > > > > addresses?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally[/color][/color]
> loaded[color=green]
> > on[color=darkred]
> > > a
> > > > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local[/color]
> > machines.[color=darkred]
> > > > DNS
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server.[/color][/color]
> Therefore[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a really[/color][/color]
> long[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > time
> > > > > > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > other
> > > > > > > > machines,
> > > > > > > > > for example:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your[/color][/color][/color]
desktop[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > loads
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > much faster.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I have[/color]
> > other[color=darkred]
> > > > > > issues
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file copying
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I pay
> > > > attention?
> > > > > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server[/color]
> > addresses[color=darkred]
> > > > > obtain
> > > > > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration[/color][/color][/color]
(have[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > noidea
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it[/color][/color]
> could[color=green]
> > be[color=darkred]
> > > a
> > > > > DNS
> > > > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine can[/color][/color]
> take[color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local LAN[/color]
> > before[color=darkred]
> > > > > > loading
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP protocol.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer[/color][/color][/color]
network[color=blue][color=green]
> > it[color=darkred]
> > > > > takes
> > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > min
> > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon of[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > network
> > > > > > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]



Paul King
Ok,

LMHOSTS.SAM is a sample file - doesn't do much apart from advise you on how
to create a....
LMHOSTS - netbios names to IP resolution. This file is handy for workgroup
based environments
that cannot afford or employ a Server with WINS (Windows Internet Name
Service)

HOSTS is used mainly for mapping DNS type requests on the local machine.
For example if you had an internet connection but no DNS entries then typing
[url]www.microsoft.com[/url] would only result in page not found error. By including
external hosts that are available on the internet (public) you could make a
descriptive entry rather than using its IP address.

In your example, you have DNS enabled on the Vigor and therefore HOSTS is
not required in your situation. LMHOSTS on the other hand allows you to
resolve the name of your PC's against its corresponding IP address on the
LAN.

Hope this helps
Paul.

wrote in message news:ep7vvCo6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Thanks, Paul< I will do.
> Meanwhile please let me know what are thre roles of the three files:
> hosts
> lmhosts
> lmhosts.sam
>
>
>
> "Paul King" wrote in message
> news:uolxtam6DHA.2732@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > This might all be related to one file LMHOSTS.
> >
> > If you have been updating the HOSTS file then don't.
> >
> > In your windows directory under system32/drivers/ect you may find an[/color]
> lmhosts[color=green]
> > and/or lmhosts.sam file(s)
> >
> > If you only have lmhosts.sam - copy this file and rename this to lmhosts
> >
> > If you have lmhosts open this up in notepad and enter the following
> > information
> >
> > #LMHOSTS Machine File
> > 192.168.1.10 [name of pc1]*
> > 192.168.1.11 [name of pc2]
> > 192.168.1.12 [name of pc3]
> >
> > *ie. 192.168.1.10 PC1
> >
> > Ensure that this file is on all three machines and reboot them.
> >
> > Let me know how you get on
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > wrote in message news:OnEBpyl6DHA.2952@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > re-imaging the machine again into the Base OS?
> > >
> > > I do not understand "re-imaging" and "Base OS" - what are these?
> > >
> > > Also I have three other problems on two other machines, which might be
> > > relevant to the one being discussed:
> > >
> > > 1. The list of computers in Windows Explorer appears quickly. Then It[/color]
> > takes[color=darkred]
> > > about two minutes to open a drive on another machine. Once a drive[/color][/color][/color]
lists[color=blue][color=green]
> > its[color=darkred]
> > > folders, they are opened relatiovely quickly. Why opening a drive[/color][/color][/color]
takes[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > time?
> > >
> > > 2. In two out of three attempts to copy a file over network I have
> > > "Unexpected network Error". The file gets copied, the same size, but[/color][/color]
> would[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > not opened, i.e. might get corrupted.
> > >
> > > 3. When trying to view printer properties over network using
> > > Start-Settings-Printers-Properties, I am getting "Printer properties[/color]
> > cannot[color=darkred]
> > > be displayed.Operation could not be completed". Obviously the computer[/color]
> > does[color=darkred]
> > > see that printer over network as the printer status shows "opening"[/color][/color]
> inless[color=green]
> > I[color=darkred]
> > > turn on the other PC to which that printer is connected. The the satus
> > > becomes "Ready". The printer would not print unless I re-intall it on[/color][/color]
> both[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > computers. This has to be repeated everytime I turn the computers on.[/color][/color]
> One[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > thin might be relevant - the computer which refuses to use this[/color][/color][/color]
printer[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > without reinstalling is on Domain.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > news:ubKxbDl6DHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > Nope the Vigor is not relevant in the LMHOSTS or HOSTS file.
> > > >
> > > > As long as your machines has 192.168.1.1 in the default gateway then[/color][/color]
> you[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > should be ok.
> > > >
> > > > I guess there is no chance of re-imaging the machine again into the[/color][/color]
> Base[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > OS?
> > > >
> > > > Paul.
> > > >
> > > > "aa" wrote in message
> > > > news:eOAoG0k6DHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > It is different.
> > > > > That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set to[/color][/color]
> work[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > with
> > > > > the office local network.
> > > > > It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec
> > > PCAnywhere,
> > > > > Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were[/color][/color][/color]
set[color=blue][color=green]
> > up[color=darkred]
> > > by
> > > > > our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked reliably[/color]
> > even[color=darkred]
> > > > when
> > > > > the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started working[/color]
> > from[color=darkred]
> > > > home
> > > > > and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.
> > > > >
> > > > > That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did all[/color][/color]
> the[color=green]
> > IP[color=darkred]
> > > > > setting as discribed above.
> > > > > I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP[/color][/color][/color]
addreses[color=blue][color=green]
> > and[color=darkred]
> > > > > names of the two other PCs.
> > > > > I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do[/color][/color][/color]
not[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > know
> > > > > what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
> > > > > Is this relevant?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are the[/color][/color]
> same[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could this
> > > > interfere
> > > > > with network connection?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Thats good then.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> > > > > > 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> > > > > > This is a good configuration by the way....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long while[/color][/color]
> to[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > start
> > > > > > up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software /[/color][/color]
> mapped[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > drives)
> > > > > > to the others?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > PK
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote in message[/color][/color]
> news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > Paul,
> > > > > > > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my[/color][/color]
> admin[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > page",
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server addresses[/color]
> > obtain[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > > > > > > IP addresses
> > > > > > > DHCP enabled
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is that what you mean?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor instruction[/color][/color]
> and[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > connected
> > > > > > > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured because
> > > ipcofig
> > > > on
> > > > > > > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > > > > > > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > > > > > > 192.168.1.10
> > > > > > > 192.168.1.11
> > > > > > > 192.168.1.12
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is this OK?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The[/color]
> > ipcongig[color=darkred]
> > > > > > readings
> > > > > > > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the prioginal
> > > > prob;lem
> > > > > of
> > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > min.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't they!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP[/color][/color][/color]
Wan[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > properties
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is[/color]
> > ticked.[color=darkred]
> > > If
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all[/color][/color][/color]
three[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > machines -
> > > > > > > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those addresses.[/color][/color]
> If[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > you
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie[/color][/color]
> Printer[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > Server)
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you[/color][/color][/color]
may[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > want
> > > > to
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new[/color]
> > address[color=darkred]
> > > > from
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Vigor.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which[/color][/color]
> still[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > works.
> > > > > > > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > > > > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > network,
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working,
> > > althought
> > > > > > slow
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > unreliably.
> > > > > > > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP[/color]
> > addresses?[color=darkred]
> > > > > Ping
> > > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > > > > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked via
> > > > > Vigor2600x
> > > > > > > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or BOOTP[/color]
> > device[color=darkred]
> > > > > > issuing
> > > > > > > > IP
> > > > > > > > > > addresses?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally[/color]
> > loaded[color=darkred]
> > > on
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local
> > > machines.
> > > > > DNS
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server.[/color]
> > Therefore[color=darkred]
> > > > if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a[/color][/color][/color]
really[color=blue][color=green]
> > long[color=darkred]
> > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet as[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > > machines,
> > > > > > > > > > for example:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > > > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your[/color][/color]
> desktop[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > loads
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > much faster.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I[/color][/color][/color]
have[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > other
> > > > > > > issues
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file[/color][/color][/color]
copying[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I[/color][/color][/color]
pay[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > attention?
> > > > > > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server
> > > addresses
> > > > > > obtain
> > > > > > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS suffixes
> > > > > > > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS suffix
> > > > > > > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration[/color][/color]
> (have[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > noidea
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine, it[/color]
> > could[color=darkred]
> > > be
> > > > a
> > > > > > DNS
> > > > > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine[/color][/color][/color]
can[color=blue][color=green]
> > take[color=darkred]
> > > a
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local[/color][/color][/color]
LAN[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > before
> > > > > > > loading
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP[/color][/color][/color]
protocol.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer[/color][/color]
> network[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > it
> > > > > > takes
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > min
> > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon[/color][/color][/color]
of[color=blue]
> a[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > network
> > > > > > > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]



Thanks, Paul,
now I understand what I will be doing when following your previous advice

"Paul King" wrote in message
news:%23uZ1bWw6DHA.3704@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Ok,
>
> LMHOSTS.SAM is a sample file - doesn't do much apart from advise you on[/color]
how[color=blue]
> to create a....
> LMHOSTS - netbios names to IP resolution. This file is handy for[/color]
workgroup[color=blue]
> based environments
> that cannot afford or employ a Server with WINS (Windows Internet Name
> Service)
>
> HOSTS is used mainly for mapping DNS type requests on the local machine.
> For example if you had an internet connection but no DNS entries then[/color]
typing[color=blue]
> [url]www.microsoft.com[/url] would only result in page not found error. By including
> external hosts that are available on the internet (public) you could make[/color]
a[color=blue]
> descriptive entry rather than using its IP address.
>
> In your example, you have DNS enabled on the Vigor and therefore HOSTS is
> not required in your situation. LMHOSTS on the other hand allows you to
> resolve the name of your PC's against its corresponding IP address on the
> LAN.
>
> Hope this helps
> Paul.
>
> wrote in message news:ep7vvCo6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Thanks, Paul< I will do.
> > Meanwhile please let me know what are thre roles of the three files:
> > hosts
> > lmhosts
> > lmhosts.sam
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > news:uolxtam6DHA.2732@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > This might all be related to one file LMHOSTS.
> > >
> > > If you have been updating the HOSTS file then don't.
> > >
> > > In your windows directory under system32/drivers/ect you may find an[/color]
> > lmhosts[color=darkred]
> > > and/or lmhosts.sam file(s)
> > >
> > > If you only have lmhosts.sam - copy this file and rename this to[/color][/color][/color]
lmhosts[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > > If you have lmhosts open this up in notepad and enter the following
> > > information
> > >
> > > #LMHOSTS Machine File
> > > 192.168.1.10 [name of pc1]*
> > > 192.168.1.11 [name of pc2]
> > > 192.168.1.12 [name of pc3]
> > >
> > > *ie. 192.168.1.10 PC1
> > >
> > > Ensure that this file is on all three machines and reboot them.
> > >
> > > Let me know how you get on
> > >
> > > Paul.
> > >
> > > wrote in message news:OnEBpyl6DHA.2952@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > re-imaging the machine again into the Base OS?
> > > >
> > > > I do not understand "re-imaging" and "Base OS" - what are these?
> > > >
> > > > Also I have three other problems on two other machines, which might[/color][/color][/color]
be[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > relevant to the one being discussed:
> > > >
> > > > 1. The list of computers in Windows Explorer appears quickly. Then[/color][/color][/color]
It[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > takes
> > > > about two minutes to open a drive on another machine. Once a drive[/color][/color]
> lists[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > its
> > > > folders, they are opened relatiovely quickly. Why opening a drive[/color][/color]
> takes[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > time?
> > > >
> > > > 2. In two out of three attempts to copy a file over network I have
> > > > "Unexpected network Error". The file gets copied, the same size, but[/color]
> > would[color=darkred]
> > > > not opened, i.e. might get corrupted.
> > > >
> > > > 3. When trying to view printer properties over network using
> > > > Start-Settings-Printers-Properties, I am getting "Printer properties
> > > cannot
> > > > be displayed.Operation could not be completed". Obviously the[/color][/color][/color]
computer[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > does
> > > > see that printer over network as the printer status shows "opening"[/color]
> > inless[color=darkred]
> > > I
> > > > turn on the other PC to which that printer is connected. The the[/color][/color][/color]
satus[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > becomes "Ready". The printer would not print unless I re-intall it[/color][/color][/color]
on[color=blue][color=green]
> > both[color=darkred]
> > > > computers. This has to be repeated everytime I turn the computers[/color][/color][/color]
on.[color=blue][color=green]
> > One[color=darkred]
> > > > thin might be relevant - the computer which refuses to use this[/color][/color]
> printer[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > without reinstalling is on Domain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > news:ubKxbDl6DHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Nope the Vigor is not relevant in the LMHOSTS or HOSTS file.
> > > > >
> > > > > As long as your machines has 192.168.1.1 in the default gateway[/color][/color][/color]
then[color=blue][color=green]
> > you[color=darkred]
> > > > > should be ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess there is no chance of re-imaging the machine again into[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > Base[color=darkred]
> > > > OS?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul.
> > > > >
> > > > > "aa" wrote in message
> > > > > news:eOAoG0k6DHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > It is different.
> > > > > > That third machine used to be my office machine and it was set[/color][/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green]
> > work[color=darkred]
> > > > > with
> > > > > > the office local network.
> > > > > > It has a lot of network-related things installed like Symantec
> > > > PCAnywhere,
> > > > > > Lucent IPSec Client and Citrix Program Neighbourhood, which were[/color][/color]
> set[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > up
> > > > by
> > > > > > our Admin, and which, to tell you the truth, never worked[/color][/color][/color]
reliably[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > even
> > > > > when
> > > > > > the computer was sitting in the Office. Now that I started[/color][/color][/color]
working[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > from
> > > > > home
> > > > > > and the Admin is 120 miles away, I am on my own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That machine was on Domain, and I set it to Workgroup and did[/color][/color][/color]
all[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> > > IP
> > > > > > setting as discribed above.
> > > > > > I also added two lines to the host file relevant to the IP[/color][/color]
> addreses[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > and
> > > > > > names of the two other PCs.
> > > > > > I thought that I need to enter the Vigor address there, but I do[/color][/color]
> not[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > know
> > > > > > what name should I use next to 192.168.1.1
> > > > > > Is this relevant?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also that PC is dual boot. The second OS is w98 and there are[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > same[color=darkred]
> > > > > > network setting on it as on w2k. I boot into both OS - could[/color][/color][/color]
this[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > interfere
> > > > > > with network connection?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:uO9lQbk6DHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > Thats good then.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok, to recap your machines are set to
> > > > > > > 192.168.1.10,11 & 12 whilst your Vigor is set to 192.168.1.1
> > > > > > > This is a good configuration by the way....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But to summarise one of those 3 machines are taking a long[/color][/color][/color]
while[color=blue][color=green]
> > to[color=darkred]
> > > > > start
> > > > > > > up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you have anything different on this machine (ie software /[/color]
> > mapped[color=darkred]
> > > > > > drives)
> > > > > > > to the others?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > PK
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote in message[/color]
> > news:e5NA2Kk6DHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > Paul,
> > > > > > > > 1. I do not know exactly what is "TCPIP Wan properties of my[/color]
> > admin[color=darkred]
> > > > > > page",
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server[/color][/color][/color]
addresses[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > obtain
> > > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > > On Advance - IP Settings I have
> > > > > > > > IP addresses
> > > > > > > > DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is that what you mean?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to use
> > > > > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I did not configured it, I just followed the Vigor[/color][/color][/color]
instruction[color=blue][color=green]
> > and[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > connected
> > > > > > > > it without configuring. Perhaps it was pre-configured[/color][/color][/color]
because[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > ipcofig
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > each computer shows the same default gateway 192.168.1.1
> > > > > > > > The IP addresses for each PC are respectively
> > > > > > > > 192.168.1.10
> > > > > > > > 192.168.1.11
> > > > > > > > 192.168.1.12
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is this OK?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. I applied release/renew on all the three computers. The
> > > ipcongig
> > > > > > > readings
> > > > > > > > did not change and it seems to have no affect on the[/color][/color][/color]
prioginal[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > prob;lem
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > min.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:ONI3CZj6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > I too have a Draytek Vigor - brilliant devices aren't[/color][/color][/color]
they![color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Vigor can also be used as a DHCP server. In the TCPIP[/color][/color]
> Wan[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > properties
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > your admin page check to see if the Enable DHCP server is
> > > ticked.
> > > > If
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the case then just clarify your ip addresses against all[/color][/color]
> three[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > machines -
> > > > > > > > > for example, if you have configured DHCP on the Vigor to[/color][/color][/color]
use[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Start:192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > > End: 192.168.0.110
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ensure that all three machines have one of those[/color][/color][/color]
addresses.[color=blue][color=green]
> > If[color=darkred]
> > > > you
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > another address then either you have a BOOTP device (ie[/color]
> > Printer[color=darkred]
> > > > > > Server)
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > somehow the client has got its knickers in a twist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the client workstations have been setup to use DHCP you[/color][/color]
> may[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > want
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > "ipconfig /release" and "ipconfig /renew" to obtain a new
> > > address
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Vigor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let me know how it goes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > news:e%23EGLSb6DHA.712@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Paul.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am nervous to make these changes the the system which[/color]
> > still[color=darkred]
> > > > > works.
> > > > > > > > > > One thing concerns me:
> > > > > > > > > > If I have settings to use DHCP, but there is no DHCP on[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > network,
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > > the system should not work at all whereas it is working,
> > > > althought
> > > > > > > slow
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > unreliably.
> > > > > > > > > > If there is no DHCP, how the system manage to find IP
> > > addresses?
> > > > > > Ping
> > > > > > > > > works
> > > > > > > > > > fine on all the machines.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What is BOOTP device ?
> > > > > > > > > > I did not mention, but all the three w2k are networked[/color][/color][/color]
via[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > Vigor2600x
> > > > > > > > > > ADSL/Router which is connected to Internet
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does this chane your opinion?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:%23OCQM4a6DHA.696@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh there you go.... Do you have a DHCP server or[/color][/color][/color]
BOOTP[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > device
> > > > > > > issuing
> > > > > > > > > IP
> > > > > > > > > > > addresses?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol - normally
> > > loaded
> > > > on
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > server -
> > > > > > > > > > > this issues a range of TCPIP addresses for your local
> > > > machines.
> > > > > > DNS
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > WINS entries are also loaded from the DHCP server.
> > > Therefore
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > have a DHCP server that machine is going to take a[/color][/color]
> really[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > long
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > > > searching for something that does not exist.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Try assigning a static IP address to the same subnet[/color][/color][/color]
as[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > machines,
> > > > > > > > > > > for example:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > PC1 = 192.168.0.100
> > > > > > > > > > > PC2= 192.168.0.101
> > > > > > > > > > > PC3= 192.168.0.103
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This will mean all can communicate using IP and your[/color]
> > desktop[color=darkred]
> > > > > loads
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > much faster.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:%23XVda0a6DHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > > It does not happen on two opther mashines, though I[/color][/color]
> have[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > issues
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > them, like "Unexpected networ error" durind file[/color][/color]
> copying[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What exactly on DNS settings on the TCPIP should I[/color][/color]
> pay[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > attention?
> > > > > > > > > > > > On TCP/IP properties I have both IP and DNS Server
> > > > addresses
> > > > > > > obtain
> > > > > > > > > > > > automaticaly
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Advance I have
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 IP Settings
> > > > > > > > > > > > IP addresses DHCP enabled
> > > > > > > > > > > > Default gatewas - nothing
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2/ DNS
> > > > > > > > > > > > Append primary and connection specific DNS[/color][/color][/color]
suffixes[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Append parent suffixas of the primary DNS[/color][/color][/color]
suffix[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Register this connection address in DNS registration[/color]
> > (have[color=darkred]
> > > > > > noidea
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > three do mean)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. WINS
> > > > > > > > > > > > Enable lmhosts look up
> > > > > > > > > > > > Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Paul King" wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:%23E2nyUX6DHA.3304@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well - apart from the obvious - ie Slow machine,[/color][/color][/color]
it[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > could
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > DNS
> > > > > > > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have DNS setup correctly the machine[/color][/color]
> can[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > take
> > > > a
> > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > > > > trying to resolve a name on the Internet or local[/color][/color]
> LAN[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > before
> > > > > > > > loading
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > desktop.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would check your DNS settings on the TCPIP[/color][/color]
> protocol.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this happen on your other 2 machines?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:%23CDu6HX6DHA.2392@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On one of the three cpmputers on a per-to-peer[/color]
> > network[color=darkred]
> > > > it
> > > > > > > takes
> > > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > min
> > > > > > > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > w2k completes loading and login, before the icon[/color][/color]
> of[color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > > > network
> > > > > > > > > > > connection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeart in the tight lower corner
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What might be the reason?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]



Danny Slye - [MSFT}
In Windows NT, the hosts file is for TCP/IP utilities, and the lmhosts file
is for LAN Manager NET utilities. If you cannot PING another computer
(using a friendly name), check the HOSTS file.
If you cannot NET VIEW a server using only the TCP/IP protocol, check the
LMHOSTS file.
See: 105997 Differences Between the HOSTS and LMHOSTS Files in Windows NT
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/?id=105997[/url]
The lmhosts.sam file is a sample lmhosts file designed to demonstrate how
to write a proper lmhosts file.

That said, the problem you are experiencing with the network connection
icon most likely has nothing to d